heya all. i make a poll about how much medics in a team.you can read the discussion in toxic's topic but here we have the poll 😃 you can see it above.
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medics
[list] ------>Toxic topic[/list:u:4724389207][list]i have same opinion like bevor,players can,should be mixed classes,ET its a team-game,you can ask teammates for change classes 😉 but they must do it self[/list:u:4724389207][list]It must be free,to join classes :!: [/list:u:4724389207][list]Greetz SCAR[/list:u:4724389207]
Have I missed something? To me this post seems irrelavant and unrelated to the intent and meaing of my class selection post ... Again I'll say I have no problems if admins/players want to limit classes and implement it thorugh the "game" features but my own post was mearly to givie people information and I think players should be free to choose class, personaly RobbieS has said it better than me ...
Quote "but that doesn't justify anyone to order another player to change a class."
My point exactly, no matter how fair/unfair the current game is (or you think it is) its completely unethical and practicaly unworkable for "players" to order other "players" to change class, you can only ask and when I say ask, I mean out of necessity and co-operation like saying "we need a felid op" (players will change class if they believe he's really needed and important to the team effort) instead of branding people as being "unfair" players ... Theres been a lot of talk about fairness on BH and in my opionion BH is "full" of fair players but I worry that the over celious effort to make things fair could end in making lots of players feel the victaim of unfair "decisions" and I wonder whats next? would you like players to roll over and die 10 times if there on a rampage to be fair? ...
The game in as of itself is fair, we all have the same game and fucntionality and choices apon entering, it's up to players or fireteams to forumulated there own stratigies for attack/defence, some work ,some dont, sometimes I missed my oppertunity to mount a defence, this doesn't mean teams are unbalanced/uneven, maybe someone figure out what I was intent on doing and fouled my plans! I can only credit the player for there ingenulty and good game play and take that into account with my defence next time ... While I do believ teams can get out of balance every now and then, yes "balance", just because one team is hammering another team doesnt mean things are unfair or unbalanced, it's just mean all there plans have "worked" while the enimies plans have "failled" nothing more ... While were taling about teams I may as well air my view here too bearing in mind that some players just want to switch team cause they've played a substanial length of time as either axis or allied and want to change for manotaniess sake but there has been some overkill on the "evening" teams, yes "even" not "balance" ... A good shuffle every now and then is ok if players ask for it or admin think its need at the start of a match but I had some affinity with phantoms recent post here reguarding teams, can anybody anser this question?
In a 4-4 game if all 8 players swiched sides say 2 times or was forced to 2 times during the duration of that game, what was the point in playing? It certainly didnt have anything to do with teams cause there was no "teams" playing aginst eachother! In such situations you just end up with a scrapy game and people just killing for the sake of it and nobody knowing what there other teamates are doing and cant work efficently together ... Ok teams my become uneven due to players disconnecting or withdrawning maybe many at once and I think in such situations the players with comparible xp can choose to fill the gap (sometimes I do) or an damin can move somebody if nobody wants to leave the team (probibly because they've invested a lot of effort, or are the only engineer etc and feel the team was winning because of there efforts and it would be unfair or spoil there enjoyment of the game ...) Yes, somebody has to move but it's "ok" because they'll get another good game sooner or later 🙂 ... Sometimes if you dont shout "teams" within a second of them becoing uneven, somebody will connect or join from spectators anyways ... What isnt ok in my opinion is team manutplation / dictating under the guise of evening teams and I'm sorry to say its happened on braveheart more than once! This falls under the same premise as I have for medics, what give one players the right to choose who should be moved to a particular team, This fucntionality is also build into the game to remove the need for human intervention, players cant join an uneven team and it's uaually ofset by one player, the only problem that arrises here for BH is that there is no script to determine attacking side cause thats they way we like it here, attacking side get the extra player so we only need move the extra player that arrives and refrain from "breaking teams" ... Aside form that, everyting is all good but then I have wondered was that spectator realy wating for player x to be moved so he/she could join allies? never mind but if axis is light when I come on ... I join axis 🙂 ...
While were at it and sorry for taking over this topic but there a few other slight things that gets my wick up and thats the inporper use of fun commands on non fun games, it usually easily to tell when people are having fun cause all the guys are running about with there pazars out even bomberbabe 🙂 however !pip and !glow are commands you can use on your buddie/teamates for fun but arnt meant to be used as aids for targeting players that are owing you in a serious battlle and self !pants to twart a covert op from stealing your closthes and/or completing an objective with your clothes neither falls into the category of fun nor unfairness in my opinion but close to cheating espically when the player has asked you not to use thoes commands on them! and I'll be writing to jaybird to fix this next release ... Same goes for punishible commands, use them wisely ...
Back to medics, realy I have no preferance for "any" percentage until it is actualy deamed solid into rules that classes "will" be limited either by players or by game ... I think the proper poll here should be ... do we want to limit classes? YES or NO and then you can poll on prefered level for that restriction if its a resound yes vote ... Most of us wont go as a medic if we think there is too many on our team and that is true of most players but Infact I really dont care how many medics the opposing team have, more cannon fodder for my mines in my view but that is that teams perogitive and makup ... I do howerver belive it would be unfair if the "attacking" team/fireteam wern't playing to achievie there objective and using medics as an advatage to just kill but it rarely happens and certainly doesnt require people be asked to change class here at BH sevral times during a single match, maybe they would have change class soon anyways, not everybody plays medic through a full match and the [D.A] doctors anonymouse type tactics at BH are a rarity now ...
And just to point out if a body really wanted to curb the playiblity of medics there are other ways of tackeling the problem for exapmle, not allowing them to use there own packs, increasing skill points required for levels, changing recharge time, changing health gain/levels just to name a few i'm familair with ...
I dont think it can be just juxaposed with the panzar rule (speaking of which I belive can also be curbed by game functionalty and game restrication removing the need for intervention) ...
Anyways thats enough of my ranting for one night, Im off to bed, sleep well all and again thanks for reading and I hope we see us on the battlefield tomorrow 🙂 ...
TOXiC
Quote "but that doesn't justify anyone to order another player to change a class."
My point exactly, no matter how fair/unfair the current game is (or you think it is) its completely unethical and practicaly unworkable for "players" to order other "players" to change class, you can only ask and when I say ask, I mean out of necessity and co-operation like saying "we need a felid op" (players will change class if they believe he's really needed and important to the team effort) instead of branding people as being "unfair" players ... Theres been a lot of talk about fairness on BH and in my opionion BH is "full" of fair players but I worry that the over celious effort to make things fair could end in making lots of players feel the victaim of unfair "decisions" and I wonder whats next? would you like players to roll over and die 10 times if there on a rampage to be fair? ...
The game in as of itself is fair, we all have the same game and fucntionality and choices apon entering, it's up to players or fireteams to forumulated there own stratigies for attack/defence, some work ,some dont, sometimes I missed my oppertunity to mount a defence, this doesn't mean teams are unbalanced/uneven, maybe someone figure out what I was intent on doing and fouled my plans! I can only credit the player for there ingenulty and good game play and take that into account with my defence next time ... While I do believ teams can get out of balance every now and then, yes "balance", just because one team is hammering another team doesnt mean things are unfair or unbalanced, it's just mean all there plans have "worked" while the enimies plans have "failled" nothing more ... While were taling about teams I may as well air my view here too bearing in mind that some players just want to switch team cause they've played a substanial length of time as either axis or allied and want to change for manotaniess sake but there has been some overkill on the "evening" teams, yes "even" not "balance" ... A good shuffle every now and then is ok if players ask for it or admin think its need at the start of a match but I had some affinity with phantoms recent post here reguarding teams, can anybody anser this question?
In a 4-4 game if all 8 players swiched sides say 2 times or was forced to 2 times during the duration of that game, what was the point in playing? It certainly didnt have anything to do with teams cause there was no "teams" playing aginst eachother! In such situations you just end up with a scrapy game and people just killing for the sake of it and nobody knowing what there other teamates are doing and cant work efficently together ... Ok teams my become uneven due to players disconnecting or withdrawning maybe many at once and I think in such situations the players with comparible xp can choose to fill the gap (sometimes I do) or an damin can move somebody if nobody wants to leave the team (probibly because they've invested a lot of effort, or are the only engineer etc and feel the team was winning because of there efforts and it would be unfair or spoil there enjoyment of the game ...) Yes, somebody has to move but it's "ok" because they'll get another good game sooner or later 🙂 ... Sometimes if you dont shout "teams" within a second of them becoing uneven, somebody will connect or join from spectators anyways ... What isnt ok in my opinion is team manutplation / dictating under the guise of evening teams and I'm sorry to say its happened on braveheart more than once! This falls under the same premise as I have for medics, what give one players the right to choose who should be moved to a particular team, This fucntionality is also build into the game to remove the need for human intervention, players cant join an uneven team and it's uaually ofset by one player, the only problem that arrises here for BH is that there is no script to determine attacking side cause thats they way we like it here, attacking side get the extra player so we only need move the extra player that arrives and refrain from "breaking teams" ... Aside form that, everyting is all good but then I have wondered was that spectator realy wating for player x to be moved so he/she could join allies? never mind but if axis is light when I come on ... I join axis 🙂 ...
While were at it and sorry for taking over this topic but there a few other slight things that gets my wick up and thats the inporper use of fun commands on non fun games, it usually easily to tell when people are having fun cause all the guys are running about with there pazars out even bomberbabe 🙂 however !pip and !glow are commands you can use on your buddie/teamates for fun but arnt meant to be used as aids for targeting players that are owing you in a serious battlle and self !pants to twart a covert op from stealing your closthes and/or completing an objective with your clothes neither falls into the category of fun nor unfairness in my opinion but close to cheating espically when the player has asked you not to use thoes commands on them! and I'll be writing to jaybird to fix this next release ... Same goes for punishible commands, use them wisely ...
Back to medics, realy I have no preferance for "any" percentage until it is actualy deamed solid into rules that classes "will" be limited either by players or by game ... I think the proper poll here should be ... do we want to limit classes? YES or NO and then you can poll on prefered level for that restriction if its a resound yes vote ... Most of us wont go as a medic if we think there is too many on our team and that is true of most players but Infact I really dont care how many medics the opposing team have, more cannon fodder for my mines in my view but that is that teams perogitive and makup ... I do howerver belive it would be unfair if the "attacking" team/fireteam wern't playing to achievie there objective and using medics as an advatage to just kill but it rarely happens and certainly doesnt require people be asked to change class here at BH sevral times during a single match, maybe they would have change class soon anyways, not everybody plays medic through a full match and the [D.A] doctors anonymouse type tactics at BH are a rarity now ...
And just to point out if a body really wanted to curb the playiblity of medics there are other ways of tackeling the problem for exapmle, not allowing them to use there own packs, increasing skill points required for levels, changing recharge time, changing health gain/levels just to name a few i'm familair with ...
I dont think it can be just juxaposed with the panzar rule (speaking of which I belive can also be curbed by game functionalty and game restrication removing the need for intervention) ...
Anyways thats enough of my ranting for one night, Im off to bed, sleep well all and again thanks for reading and I hope we see us on the battlefield tomorrow 🙂 ...
TOXiC